Even More Background

“Oops,” says Bernie. “We forgot to look this over yesterday. It’s from B. Stover. And speaking of B. Stover, I wonder what she’d think of the misuse of ‘begging the question’, just everywhere these days. Came across it last night in The Voice, the new Sinatra bio I was otherwise enjoying.”

Begging? Begging for treats is bad. I know that very very well and would never ever do it intentionally.

From B. Stover:

1. Col. Bob met his son, Ray Jason, after Ray followed him in his car. This was in Bakersfield. Col. Bob gave Ray $300 from his ATM. We don’t know what either said to the other except that Ray hates Col. Bob.

2. Astrid is missing and according to Bernie, Ray is also missing.

3. For some reason (a “hunch”?) Bernie thought that he could get info on Astrid from Albie Rose in Vegas and he goes there and questions Albie. Albie wants to hire Bernie, who will have none of that. Albie was married to Tiffany who changed her name from Ethel which was an alias for Astrid. Foster first saw her at a show as Ethel the Ready. Albie is very jealous, asks why Foster knew Tiffany 3 was really Ethel. Albie was married eight times.

4. Foster, dressed in all black, comes to Bernie’s house. He wants to sell Bernie information about Astrid; he knows nothing about Ray. He does not want to work for Albie any longer and has a new gig in LA. He says that Astrid/Tiffany 3 liked Albie and that Albie was wrong about the other dude.

5. Bernie and Chet are meeting with Foster in an unfinished housing development somewhere, I think, in the desert near Vegas. The housing development for some reason has windowless houses. Foster trusts Bernie and I think Bernie feels sorry for Foster.

6. Bernie has not told Foster or Albie who his client is. He has given Foster $1.000 and we will apparently learn next what Foster knows, probably a very tenuous assumption.

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  1. B.Stover
    9:31 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Did we need more background?

    Begging the question–the Aristotelian logical fallacy? It’s an assumption of truth without proof. One assumes as a premise the conclusion one intends to prove.

    I don’t know in what way it’s being misused. Do we have begging of the question in the Astrid case? I think I’m getting a headache.

  2. B.Stover
    9:47 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Here’s the classic example used to explain begging the question (from Richard Whately’s Elements of Logic, 1826):

    “To allow every man unbounded freedom of speech must always be, on the whole, advantageous to the state; for it is highly conducive to the interests of the community that each individual should enjoy a liberty, perfectly unlimited, of expressing his sentiments.”

    The premise (words before the semicolon) are Anglo Saxon words. The conclusion (words after the semicolon) are Norman words. For example, “freedom” is derived from the Old English freodom; “liberty” is from the Middle French derived from the Latin libertas. They are synonyms. The premise and conclusion say exactly the same thing using different words.

    And I haven’t even had a cup of coffee yet.

  3. Riö - The Evil Pug
    10:01 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Begging!… Begging is bad?…grunt!… Says who? That’s how I make my living by begging….grump!

    Liberty!… Does this mean I can theorize about anything I want to?…heh!

  4. B.Stover
    10:04 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Rio: Don’t you always theorize about anything you want to?

  5. Riö - The Evil Pug
    10:08 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Stover!…. I have a theory about that….heh!snort!

  6. Riö - The Evil Pug
    10:10 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Question!…. Here’s what I want to know….sniff!…Why do you suppose we are not getting anywhere with the Astrid case on this here blog?…grunt!

  7. B.Stover
    10:10 am on December 3rd, 2010

    I need more coffee…cawfee to you.

  8. B.Stover
    10:11 am on December 3rd, 2010

    We are not getting anywhere on the Astrid case either because Spence is stuck or because he loves to torment us…perhaps both.

  9. Riö - The Evil Pug
    10:23 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Protest!….What if we protested and threatened to leave his blog until the Astrid case was sorted out?….snort!… Leaving him with a Zero count instead of 100 on average….grunt!…Do you think that would work? Do you think he would notice?…wheeze!

  10. B.Stover
    10:27 am on December 3rd, 2010

    He’d notice but I don’t want to leave the blog and neither do you. The Astrid case is not the only reason we’re here. Also, I like hearing from Chet and from Spence and Admin.

  11. Riö - The Evil Pug
    10:31 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Grump!…Well, that means we have to be patient with him cuz begging won’t work….snort!… He’s probably busy working on TDWKTM….heh!…There are way too many words in that title…grunt!

  12. B.Stover
    10:31 am on December 3rd, 2010

    There’s a problem with Astrid and Tulip being the same person. Ray knows what Astrid looks like even if Bernie doesn’t. The first time we have Ray and Tulip together is the post of August 2. Chet and Bernie are in the Porche driving to Tulip’s motel room. Ray and Tulip are in her car. (I’ll copy and paste that post if anyone wants it but you can type “Tulip” in the search box and get to it.) The next time they are together is the August 10 post after they see that Astrid’s suitcases are missing. Tulip’s car won’t start; Ray fixes it and drives back to town with her. Bernie says something about surprises…meaning he thinks Tulip is “interested” in Ray. I don’t think we’ve seen Tulip since then.

  13. Melanie
    10:32 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Good Morning. I slept in this morning and haven’t read the rest of last nights.

    So another day for PSQA to think. I hope he has a lot of coffee so he can put this all together.

    I need another cup of coco because I tried to read B.Stover comment at 9:47. It hurt my brain.

    BBL

  14. dawson
    10:32 am on December 3rd, 2010

    After reading this mornings post, I have a headache too, which begs the question, “Does this blog cause headaches?”

  15. B.Stover
    10:33 am on December 3rd, 2010

    I refuse to use TDWKTM…mainly because I can’t remember it. I’m using Dog Who.

  16. Siber-H
    10:35 am on December 3rd, 2010

    I’m not here for the Astrid case. I’m happy with anything Chet posts.

    Remember Everyone!! We are suppose to be sending positive thoughts Jasper’s mom way at 12:30 Eastern time for the job interview. Let’s see if we can do this!

    The unemployment rate in this country is heartbreaking and it just went up.

  17. B.Stover
    10:35 am on December 3rd, 2010

    I understand Aristotle’s Begging the Question but I don’t understand Dawson’s….Is it an example of misuse or is it used correctly?

  18. B.Stover
    10:38 am on December 3rd, 2010

    I’m going to the doctor again this afternoon…still not breathing right. She’ll check for asthma.

    The reason I’m saying this is because when going to her office I travel a road that I don’t use frequently. All along that road are for lease and for sale signs of small businesses that are no longer there. Scary.

    Jasper’s mom: GO GO GO!!

  19. B.Stover
    10:43 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Can begging the question be used “correctly”???

  20. dawson
    10:50 am on December 3rd, 2010

    btq@beggingthequestion.info Get your mugs and t-shirts here. I know that PA has used “begging the question” in his novels…I remember looking it up a while back. As to whether I used it correctly or not? I need more coffee.

  21. B.Stover
    10:53 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Can an error be correct? (Coffee doesn’t help.)

  22. dawson
    10:53 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Some different titles for the new book:
    Dog In It
    For Your Nose Only
    Eat, Stay, Love

  23. Melanie
    10:59 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Arrrggghh, Dawson has disappeared!

    Where’s your smiling face? Is it still night there?

  24. Siber-H
    11:03 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Dawson is there on my computer.
    Hi Macy! (from last night)
    Good Luck at the doctor, Stover
    BBL

  25. Melanie
    11:03 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Whew, finally finished being YSAS’s Manager this morning. Now it’s Housekeeping.

    Ahh, Dawson? When I press that link all I get is my e-mail coming alive to write to someone. Would it be “begging the question” to think, that is the wrong link?

  26. B.Stover
    11:04 am on December 3rd, 2010

    I really like For Your Nose Only.

    Does Bernie mean the misuse of “begging the question” when it is used to mean “raises the question”?

  27. dawson
    11:07 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Melanie: What you mean, I disappeared? It is 10:00 here in Minneapolis. I’m still here, my avatar is here, too.
    I only was gone for a minute at Abigail’s insistence I give her “tummies” at the tummy rubbing rug downstairs. I mean RIGHT NOW!

  28. B.Stover
    11:07 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Melanie: I think that you are raising the question, “Is this the right link?”

  29. dawson
    11:12 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Oh yeah. (I’m new at this link stuff) That appears to be someones e-mail address. Don’t ask me where I was in Siber space. I’ve already moved on. Maybe, tho, if you e-mail him/her the question, he/she will know the answer.

  30. dawson
    11:14 am on December 3rd, 2010

    More titles:
    Begging the Question
    Question the Begging
    From an Old Porsche
    Hairy!

  31. dawson
    11:17 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Oh yeah!
    I have to read last night’s late posts. Thanks for reminding me, scarecrow. Incidentally, I missed why you got named scarecrow. How’d that happen?

  32. B.Stover
    11:29 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Here’s a great youtube video. My favorite is Jupiter.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-0WVfj76bo

  33. dawson
    11:30 am on December 3rd, 2010

    From Friends of Chet: We have Murdock, Puppin and Snickerdoodle.
    And Agent Wookie, looking elegant and classy in black tie, Agent Patsy, in disguise in….Hawaii? And close-ups of BJ and Bailey, looking pretty sleek. And seeing double again, there is multicolored Maggie being beautiful as well as quick with the rats and caring for her recovering mom.

  34. dawson
    11:36 am on December 3rd, 2010

    My comment stays after I hit submit AND if I hit refresh before I submit comment, the comment disappears. So, I refresh after submitting comment.

  35. dawson
    11:38 am on December 3rd, 2010

    That was a cute video, B.Stover.
    We also have 2 unnamed puppies in Friends of Chet who are really getting into the holiday spirit by wearing Santa hats.

  36. Riö - The Evil Pug
    11:53 am on December 3rd, 2010

    Dawson!…Thanks for pointing out the obvious!…snort! gurgle! ….How come your photo isn’t out there?…huh?

  37. Melanie
    12:13 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Dawson: Now your avatar is there! Weird. Still haven’t started to do the housekeeping. Got sidetracked by Holiday shopping. On line obviously. I put on the correct music and then hit the keys.

    I will have to look at B.Stover’s video. Now time to do lunch.

    Just remembered that YSAS was in a short film called Avatars. He was great. The film was okay. He weighed a lot more then, it was before he discovered he had Celiac.

    Scarecrow is a nickname from Riö. I believed I said “If I only had a brain.”

    Still looking for one.

  38. Riö - The Evil Pug
    12:24 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    EVERYONE!….Start thinking of or praying for Jasper’s gal as she is just about to go into the interview!…snort! :)

  39. Riö - The Evil Pug
    12:39 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Lord of all Creation I pray that you will calm her nerves and give her confidence and strength throughout this very important interview. Lord she needs this job desperately so I ask that she will be the one to get it. Lord please give the other top person a good job too! Amen!

  40. B.Stover
    12:45 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    That’s good Rio.

  41. Siber-H
    1:20 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Yes, that is a very good one, Rio.

  42. Riö - The Evil Pug
    1:22 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Noooooo!…Alice has somehow managed to post her photo on this here blog!….grump!

  43. dawson
    1:26 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Jasper: We are all giving our “getting hired” vibes to your mom.

    Rio: You’re welcome. And thank you, too, for obvious reasons.

  44. Melanie
    1:27 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Very powerful, Pug!

  45. Staff
    1:38 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    It was no thanks to you, Rio, that I finally posted Alice Johnson.
    I am sure if she had been here it would have been no problem, but I had to fiddle around for days before I figured it out.
    Snarlllllll
    Now there are two of her up. 😀
    I wanted to say, “Here’s lookin’ at you Rio”, but thought that since it was Chet’s blog, not yours, that I wouldn’t put that up.
    But you know what Alice would say, don’t you Rio?

  46. Staff
    1:41 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Gee, I like that when you scroll your mouse over the pictures of the friends of Chet, it tells you the comments.
    (If there were comments)

  47. Mollypop
    1:45 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Safe and sound! Whew! When I reported yesterday after we came through that band of lake effect snow that it went from 2 inches of snow to 2 feet of snow and back to 2 inches, I was wrong. It’s offical now that it was 3-1/2 feet of snow! The band was narrow, only 8 miles wide, and it took us an hour to get through it.

    The case of wine is still unopened.

    Everyone made it off the thruway by 6:30 this morning.

  48. Wölfie
    1:54 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    I can’t wait to hear from Jasper’s mom! I hope the news is good!

    Only six people asked for toffee, which means more for everyone else! Mom won’t make it until this weekend because Dad’s mom had a stroke and things have been crazy here. Anyway, remember, our email address is marya@stcg.net if you want some yummies!

    Gosh, Mollypop, that much snow sounds scary!

  49. Mollypop
    1:54 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Rio – Your prayer for Jasper’s Mom was beautiful.

  50. Riö - The Evil Pug
    2:01 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Wolfie!…Can you explain to me what Toffee is?….snort!… Is it like Cawfee only with a T?…sniff!

  51. Riö - The Evil Pug
    2:03 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Alice!… You should have put that caption under your photo!…snort!… Now I will never know what you are thinking…heh!

  52. B.Stover
    2:06 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Wolfie: I forgot to ask for toffee so I just sent an email. Hope things get better there.

    Mollypop: Are you back home?

  53. B.Stover
    2:48 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    We haven’t heard from Barb and Maggie today.

  54. B.Stover
    3:02 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    I’m off to the doctor’s.

  55. Gus and BooBear
    3:05 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    We were thinking of you Mollypop &Sam when they mentioned the snow and stranded travelers in Buffalo on the news. Glad you’re okay. Mollypop, did the ski resort get any snow?

    Hope all went well for Jasper’s mom. Paws crossed!

    We think that SQ is messing with us at this point. Now he’s just getting a good giggle over the Astrid story. Also, now he has to make sure he doesn’t copy Rio’s theory. And , like SiberH says, we love whatever he posts.

  56. Gus and BooBear
    3:11 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    B., what’s the name of the English book you are posting quotes from? It sounds like a perfect Christmas gift for one of our aunts.

  57. Riö - The Evil Pug
    3:17 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Puss N’ Boots!… You don’t like my theory either?… snort!

  58. Melanie
    4:00 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Loved B. Stover’s video. Have sent it on to animal loving friends!

    Just got back from a good thing.

    Dan needs something to do, but he can’t do much.
    He would like to start writing again (he hasn’t wanted to for quite awhile), but sitting up at the computer is too much for him.

    McKey offered his old laptop computer that needs work. I called the Mac doc, took it over and he’s going to see what he can do.

    This way he could write but in the recliner or in bed.

    YEA!

  59. Jasper the Poodle
    4:09 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    She’s baaaaccckkkk! She’s also very happy and quite teary-eyed over your thoughts, concern and prayers during her interview today. Mom says the interview was very comfortable. She met with the hiring manager and her boss, the HR director. The questions were primarily about how mom would manage the work load, and fit in the department. Mom says she is one of 4 applicants who are in final consideration for this job. They are expecting to make a decision by the end of next week. So, for now we are in a wait and see mode. Me? I’m fine with that. I’ve got plenty of bones to chew.

  60. Melanie
    4:13 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Jasper, you need something for your Mom to do. She may drive you nuts in the next week.

    (Congrats on the interview and all paws and tails crossed!)

  61. Riö - The Evil Pug
    4:13 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Wha!?… We have to wait a whole week to find out if she gets the job or not?….grunt!…Doesn’t seem fair at all….sniff! …I am happy to hear it went very well though…heh!

  62. Mollypop
    4:42 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    I have a new friend! His name is Tyb and I had talked about him a few months ago. He’s going to join us on the blog and his picture is already in the friends of Chet.

    First read the story of Blou – this had some of you teary – I know, me too.

    http://www.dogster.com/dogs/108124

  63. Mollypop
    4:44 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    And now here is Tyb. He has taken over the charity work that Blou had done.

    http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1128454

  64. Kirby T. Penworthy
    5:03 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Hey y’all! I finally got Dad to turn on the computer for me! We heard from Mom — the surgery went very well, but lasted from 1 o’clock yesterday afternoon until almost 7 o’clock last night. I don’t know how long that is, but Mom seemed to think it was a long time! The doctor said that Grandpa’s leaky valve wasn’t as leaky as they first thought, so they didn’t have to replace it. But they did have to more than three bypasses. Mom called it a quadruple — whatever that is. She got to see Grandpa this morning, and he seemed to be in really good spirits, although he is in some pain. All three of my uncles are there, and my grandma, so the room was pretty full. Grandpa is still in intensive care, but they’ll move him to a regular room as soon as one opens up. Thanks for all your good thoughts for Grandpa!

    I’ll try to get back on here later, but when you have to depend on others, it’s not easy!!!

  65. dawson
    5:35 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Oh, that is very good news, Kirby T. Sounds as if the whole family is rallying around Grandpa. Hoorah for Grandpa! Hip. Hip.

  66. LizF
    5:40 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    There’s a lot of good news in the chat room today, that’s great! Except for B at the doctor, i hope your lungs get sorted.

    Wolfie i would have asked for toffee but didn’t want to burden your mom with sending it internationally. I bet it’s delicious though.

    G&BB, the name of that book is ‘Funny English Errors and Insights: Illustrated’ compiled by Troy Simpson.

  67. dawson
    5:41 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Oh yeah.
    Jasper: Good on your mom for that interview. But such a long time to wait for a decision.
    I’m going to shovel some snow which begs the question, “Where is my brother when I need him?” (Pretty sure this is NOT the proper way to use the phrase).

  68. Barb & Maggie
    5:42 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Maggie here. Barb went to work today and did ok. Then she dd a little running around because we are supposed to get some snow starting soon. She wants to be able to stay in all weekend if necessary, so she got some books and dvds to help with shut-in time.

    Glad the surgery went well and ditto the job interview. Guess we have to wait to hear more on both. Paws crossed here.

    Mollypop, we did finally see some national news coverage on your big snow, Glad you are safe. Open a bottle of the wine this weekend!

  69. B.Stover
    5:44 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Kirby: That’s great! Keep us posted.

    G&BB: I’ll get back to you regarding the book.

    Back from the doctor with more meds. I’ll be back in a bit.

  70. Siber-H
    5:48 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Stover, We enjoyed your video! Thank you

    Molly, We read your links. Blou was beautiful, and mom shed a tear or two. Tyb is going to be joining us! Cool! Tell him, Welcome! I can see the Alaskan Husky in him.

  71. Siber-H
    5:55 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Jasper, We are excited and hopeful for your mom and will keep thinking good thoughts and prayers. I think you said it was a job with the state so it is no surprise that it is taking awhile to know the final outcome.

    Kirby, Great to hear from you and this loooks like really good news about your grandpa. I’m glad family is there to help him recover. We’ll keep him in our prayers.

    Melanie, that is exciting news about Dan wanting to write. We love his book!

  72. Siber-H
    6:08 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Wolfie, I just sent your mom an email about the toffee. Thank you and yummy.

  73. B.Stover
    6:10 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    G&BB: Liz gave you the title and editor. I haven’t been able to find it on Amazon or Barnes and Noble. It was published in Australia. Here is the ISBN 978-0-642-27713-8.

    Here are some quotations:

    “Etc: A sign used to make believe you know more than you do.”

    “Irony: A substance found in mineral waters.”

    “Cyclops was the man who wrote the encyclopaedia.”

  74. B.Stover
    6:20 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Dawson: Right. You didn’t beg the question; you raised the question (about your brother).

    I haven’t looked at Mollypop’s websites yet.

    Jasper: Waiting is difficult but it will be worth it.

    The doctor doesn’t think I have asthma. It is probably asthma-type symptoms related to the sinus infection and pheumonia. She said all she has seen this week are patients with asthma-related things because of the sudden cold weather. We went from 57 to 20 overnight several days ago.

  75. B.Stover
    6:27 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    I remember Tyb and Blou. Tyb is beautiful.

    Hi Barb and Maggie.

    I’m glad Dan feels like writing again Melanie.

  76. Mollypop
    6:45 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    I have to say this before Typ posts (actually he may be moderated), his Dad is a photographer and Typ’s pictures are on greeting cards and a 2011 calendar that he shares with Blou for their charities. Some of you, I’m thinking Rio and cousin Sam here, might want to be extra special friends of Tyb. Hint hint.

  77. Melanie
    6:46 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    The raising of the question . .
    Is Tyb with a long “i” sound or short?
    Which would mean that I actually talk in my head when I typing . . . this could explain a lot of the spelling errors.

    B.Stover: What do the docs have you on now? Did the steroids help at all?

    I hope all of us here stay and/or get very healthy soon.

  78. Wölfie
    6:58 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Rio – Toffee is sort of a crunchy carmel. I make mine with Danish Creamery butter and sugar and vanilla. Topped with milk chocolate and toasted almonds. I’m sure you’d like it, but it wouldn’t help your waistline any!

    LizF – how much would it cost, anyway? Millions?

    Yea, Jasper’s mom! And Kirby, I’m glad your grandpa is doing better!

  79. Mollypop
    7:07 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Melanie – Long ‘i’ – sounds like ‘Tibe’

  80. Melanie
    7:13 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Thanks MollyPop. I will rest easier in my mind. Snicker. (trying to get into the second edition of the book)

  81. B.Stover
    7:14 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Melanie: The steroids helped but they were low mgs. (20) and for ten days. She put me on a different steroid: Methylprednlsolone. Over five days you take six pills, then five, then four and so forth. She also put me on more antibiotics so that the pneumonia doesn’t come back. Also an inhaler (Flovent) that I have to take for one month. There’s also an inhaler for an asthma-type attack. I feel like a pharmacologia.

  82. Barb & Maggie
    7:21 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Mollypop, TYB is a very handsome guy, but do they know for sure that he is BC/Huskey mix, or is that a guess? Just asking because he looks an awful lot like an English Shepherd, and often in rescue, they are mistaken for “Border Collie mixes”.

    They come in a sable and white coloration, like TYB, as well as a few other combos. Also, ES tend to be calmer than their cousins, BCs and Aussies.

  83. Riö - The Evil Pug
    7:40 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Molly!…Why would I want to be special friends with some guy I’ve never even met?…grunt!… He could really rub me the wrong way and things could get ugly…cough!….What’s with his name, Tibe, long I? I thought Tib, short I sounded a lot better for a guys name….snort!… I might end up calling him Tide by mistake…sniff!

    Begging!…Is there actually a correct way to use “Begging the Question” phrase?….snort!

  84. Mollypop
    7:42 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    MagPie! We’ll have to wait to ask Tyb.

  85. Mollypop
    7:44 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Mom has opened a bottle of Hatteras Red. Bottoms up!

  86. Riö - The Evil Pug
    7:44 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Kirby!…We here are watching the first episode of Top Chef and we cannot believe they brought back all the runners up…snort!…Good idea, maybe….sniff!

  87. Debbie LM
    7:45 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    You rock Jasper’s Mom – the fact that you are in contention (the Final 4 – big stuff in college hoops) is just fantastic. I know from periods of job hunting that sometimes finally being back in contention rather than feeling like no one is able to see all your excellent qualities gives you the positive momentum to secure a great job at last!

  88. Melanie
    7:51 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Does anyone watch “The Fashion Show”? I don’t know what channel or if that’s the correct name, but YSAS sort of knows one of the contestants.

    That person works at the place where YSAS gets his morning coffee. Though the show is wrapped, YSAS does not know the outcome yet. He did see the contestant and said Hi.

  89. B.Stover
    8:07 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Rio: Begging the question is a fallacy so cannot be “correct.” Don’t you like the example I gave this morning? And Tyb’s name is from Thank You Boul.

  90. Riö - The Evil Pug
    8:08 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Wolfie!…I’m all In on the Toffee!…snort!snort!….But someone else here says its not on my diet plan….sob! sob!sob!…I will have to pass on this great offer….sniffle! cough!

  91. B.Stover
    8:16 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    An example of begging the question: I think she’s unattractive because she’s ugly.

  92. Melanie
    8:18 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    B.Stover: It is better to be the branch that studies than to be the Guinea pig on which the studies happen.

    Though in your case I bet you are also feeling a bit like the Guinea pig.

  93. Melanie
    8:21 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Riö: I might be mistaken, but I believe MollyPop might consider you photogenic enough for a calendar or card. Perhaps, MollyPop needs glasses.

  94. dawson
    8:40 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Mollypop: I remember Blou and Tyb. It will be an honor to welcome him to the blog.
    Melanie: I’m real excited that Dan is thinking about writing another book. Does he have a subject in mind?

  95. Melanie
    8:43 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    I love reading. Just found a word I’ve never heard nor seen “conurbation”. Awesome.

    Riö, I hope you’ll do another prayer tonight. Even though I won’t read it until tomorrow morning, it would be nice to have some powerful Pug prayers for all Plunderers and for our lurkers and our newbies and for Chet and for Mike and for Bernie and for PSQA and for . . well, you get the picture.

    TTFN

  96. Melanie
    8:46 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Whoops, just your comment Dawson, when mine went up . .

    I don’t know. He did a piece on being 80 years old that was really funny and touching. Perhaps I’ll ask him if I can put that up in a serial on the family log. Then I could have a break in January. I’ll have to ask him what he’s thinking of writing, but first I’m going to get something he can write on!

  97. Riö - The Evil Pug
    8:50 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Photo!…Freakin’ Genic?…grump!… She’s incredibly crafty to have as many photos as she does of me and they are all (almost) on Chet’s Blog now…growl!… I will NOT POSE – ON PURPOSE!…wheeze!….No Tidey Widey photographer guy is gonna talk me into it either…sniff!

    Stover! … I still don’t get the “Begging the Question” thing…really! Snort!…It’s a dilemma in my pug brain…sniffle!

  98. Riö - The Evil Pug
    8:53 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Melanie!…Get Dan a computer! He can write on that by golly!…snuffle!…Hi Dan! I hope you will write something for us all on the blog, you are such a special guy… sniff!…I wish I knew you earlier…snort!

  99. B.Stover
    8:58 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Night all.

  100. LizF
    8:59 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    I don’t get it either Rio – I have always assumed that ‘begs’ in this case is just a synonym for ‘asks’. It could be worse – I used to work for someone who always said ‘beggars the question’!!

    Wolfie – i don’t know, it could be millions! it sounds delumptious – and possibly quite heavy.

    G&BB – the book is on the Borders Australian site, but the National library of Australia (the publishers) is a small boutique publisher. The author and book have a website, by the way.

  101. LizF
    9:01 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Removing that s from the first instance of publishers in that last sentence before Stover smacks me…

    Oh no……….i wasn’t 100??????

  102. Riö - The Evil Pug
    9:15 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Heh!heh!heh!….Here I come Liz! …wheeze!…Here I come!….snort!… I am full of slobbers today for some reason. Here is a big slurrpy lick for your face and up your nose…cough! cough!…Here is a big wad of stuff for your ears and NIP NIP NIP NIP your earlobes, always my favorite!…wheeze!…Now I’m licking all the lotion off your face and hands…heh!…I love love love lotion!….gulp!cough!snort! ….Good one Mate!…heh!

  103. Macy the Min-Pin
    9:49 pm on December 3rd, 2010


    This is a friend from loooonnnngggg ago. The skate kept her belly and pups from dragging the ground.

  104. Macy the Min-Pin
    9:52 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Begging the question, in our opinion, is like ignoring the question, or not answering it. “Your answer, ‘you are quite witty’ begs the question, ‘do you think I am handsome?’.

  105. Riö - The Evil Pug
    9:59 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Hmmm!…I’m sorry, but I still do not understand the true meaning of “Begging the Question”….grunt! wheeze!…This is very annoying to say the least…grump!

    Skates!…Those roller skates are hilarious, and yet a very good idea!…wow!

  106. Barb & Maggie
    10:12 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Macy, I take it your old friend was preggers in that picture. Hey, glad you came back! Barb and I missed you.

    We are now off to dream land. See you tomorrow.

  107. Riö - The Evil Pug
    11:11 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    OMG!…I ventured another look at BBCA Revealed….grunt!… Extravagant birthday parties for kids. Un-freaking-believable….sigh!….With the world economy in such a mess, you can truly see the deep cavern between the Haves and the Have Nots in the world…. grump!….The gap between the Middle Class and the Wealthy is more like the Grand Canyon these days….sneeze!…It will be the end of us all, I swear…snuff!

  108. Macy the Min-Pin
    11:23 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Barb, yes she was so preggers she hardly looked like a doxie anymore.

  109. Riö - The Evil Pug
    11:30 pm on December 3rd, 2010

    Heh!….We just popped in the DVD Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolfe just so we can have sweet dreams tonight…snort!

  110. Staff
    12:19 am on December 4th, 2010

    Macy, I think the person who figured out how to keep you doxie friend from dragging on the ground was brilliant. I love that picture. Here is a picture from my trip last week. I just love the sky here in North Dakota. You can see so much of it.


    G’nite all,

  111. Staff
    12:21 am on December 4th, 2010

    Oh, before I forget. BStover, the junco tracks (on my blog) were taken just for you.
    Staff

  112. Macy the Min-Pin
    12:54 am on December 4th, 2010

    They don’t call it Big Sky Montana for nothing! beautiful, is this your winter home?

  113. Macy the Min-Pin
    12:57 am on December 4th, 2010

    Uh, the picture is beautiful, not calling staff beautiful, not that staff is not beauti….oh nevermind.

    Macy out.

  114. Macy the Min-Pin
    12:59 am on December 4th, 2010

    The problem with Dog Who is that there is already a very successful series “The Cat Who…” by Lillian Jackson Braun. Do we want to be “kopy-kats”?

  115. Macy the Min-Pin
    1:48 am on December 4th, 2010
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